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Re: How to apply Load on curved beam.

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Hello Ravi,

In the Technical Reference Manual chapter 5.20.8 is noted:

"Currently, two load types are permitted on curved members. One is the SELFWEIGHT load type, described in Section 5.32.9 of the STAAD.Pro Technical Reference manual. The other is the uniformly (UNI) distributed load type of the MEMBER LOAD options explained in Section 5.32.2 of the same manual. The uniformly distributed load has to be applied over the full span of the member. Other member loads such as LINEAR, TRAP, CONCENTRATED force or moment, UNIFORM moment, etc. are not currently supported."

This is only one of some more limitations for curved members. Due to all limitations, I think that modeling the curved beams using a series of straight segments might be a better option and then You would be able to apply the concentrated force on those beams.

Regards,

Modestas


Re: How to apply Load on curved beam.

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Hello Modestas

Thanking you for immediate useful response. Still i am stuck on same level for analysing curved beam. Kindly suggest the method to run live load on curved beam.

Regards,

Ravi

Re: Stud Design

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I need to design Connections for this,

Is any Bentley Product is suggested to do this kind of stud connection?

Re: How to apply Load on curved beam.

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Hi Ravi,

I would still suggest you using straight lines to simulate the curved member. On straight segments, You should be able to apply any loading.

Regards,

Modestas

Re: How to apply Load on curved beam.

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Hi Modestas

As per your suggestion, Span should be bifercated in several straight members putting respective node on curve path. But that will not be sound engineering analysis. Request you to please suggest me suitable steps. In India, futher authorities will not accept this kind of assumption. So i need to model accurate as per reuirement.

Regards

Ravi

Re: How to apply Load on curved beam.

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Sorry, I am not able to think of any other way to apply concentrated load on a curved beam in STAAD.Pro. Maybe someone else in this forum could suggest you a better way.

Regards,

Modestas

Calculation of Member Self Weight

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How does RAM Structural determine the self-weight of a member?  I want to create a user defined steel shape to represent a custom steel truss to use as a holding place in my model.  My thought is to create an I-shape that has similar section properties to the truss (S, Z, I, A, etc) so I don't get excessive beam failure errors for strength or deflection, but I don't want the shape to be so heavy that it causes my steel columns to buckle under the weight.  I have turned on the option for RAM to calculate the self weight of all the members. 

Does RAM base the self weight on the density of steel * area of cross section?  If so, which area?  Does it use the area RAM calculates based on the other dimensional properties of the section or based on the user input area?

 

Thank you.

Re: Calculation of Member Self Weight

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Yes, for the unit weight, RAM SS uses the hard-coded density of steel times the section area. If the area is specified in the table, then we use it as specified.  If the area is not in the table (and only the member dimensions are specified), then we will calculate the area using the sum of the rectangles (no fillets in this calculation).

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STORY DRIFT

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Is there any provision in Staad pro to know the story drift for each mode in dynamic analysis of the model. If yes, then how?

Re: STORY DRIFT

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The easiest would possibly be to use the IMR command in your spectrum case. Here is an example

LOAD 4 LOADTYPE None  TITLE LOAD CASE 4
SELFWEIGHT Y 1
SELFWEIGHT X 1
SELFWEIGHT Z 1
SPECTRUM SRSS IBC 2006 X 1 ACC DAMP 0.05 LIN IMR 10 STARTCASE 101
ZIP 92887 SITE CLASS A FA 0.800 FV 0.800 TL 8.000
PERFORM ANALYSIS
CHANGE
PRINT STORY DRIFT

The above IMR command would instruct the program to include 10 additional load cases each corresponding to the first 10 modes of the spectrum case and you can get story drift printed for these cases using the PRINT STORY DRIFT, as you would normally do for any other load case. You can change the value after the IMR to include as many modes you need.

For details on the IMR option, you may refer to the section 5.32.10.1.1 of the Technical Reference manual titled Response Spectrum Specification - Generic Method

Re: SNiP - Warning

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The reason is that the members under consideration are under selfweight load and are calculated not only as compressed or tensile elements, but as eccentrically compressed and eccentrically tensioned ones. In case of eccentric compression and eccentric tension of unsymmetrical sections the coefficients FIB and ETA are not defined in Russian codes. This curious case is related to the imperfection of SNiP methods and computer realization of them.

For simplified engineering calculation the design codes specify additionally the cases of pure bending or axial tension/compression (what is impossible in the real life). But the phase shifts from one case to another are not described in design codes. Here lies the problem of computer realization of the methods. E.g. we have a beam and assume it as flexural element; but this element will have tension or compression due to work with other elements of a structure. STAAD.Pro will catch this effect and switches to the other algorithm of calculation. And here it gets clear that the FIB and ETA coefficients are not described by the same design codes.

This is the nature of an effect which might leaded to the errors in your model.

Here are few workarounds which could help:

1. Use TRUSS specification for bracings and lattices – this will exclude their flexure.

2. Model the desired stress-strain behavior for the double check – try to remove SELFWEIGHT option.

3. Isolate the element and load it separately and perform an additional check.

Might be that the combination of these steps should be applied to get the correct picture.

If you need some more assistance on this, please create a Service Ticket for Bentley Technical Support Team and attach the model for the investigation.

Thanks,

Modestas

Re: SNiP - Warning

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Thank you Modestas

And how do I create Service tickets?

Re: SNiP - Warning

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You should go to the Bentley SELECT services website: selectservices.bentley.com/en-US

Then click on the button Service Ticket and this will open the Service Ticket Manager where you should provide all necessary information and report your issue.

Regards,

Modestas

Staad Foundation Canadian code bug

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Has anyone used the Canadian design code for analysis?  Whenever I select to use the Canadian code I am no longer able to set the Min/Max pedestal bar sizes and they default to 15 and -17179869.  Is this a bug or am i doing something wrong here? 

Re: Staad Foundation Canadian code bug

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It is not an error on your part. As of now the program is not able to design pedestals for Canadian code. If you use latest version of STAAD.foundation Advanced (06.02.00.11), those inputs have been deactivated. Our developers are aware of this limitation and we will get this implemented in the near future.


Re: Staad Foundation Canadian code bug

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Is there any plans in the near future to have full design available with the Canadian code?  My firm is very interested in using STAAD Foundation for more design work.

Re: Staad Foundation Canadian code bug

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This is something that is in the pipeline but unfortunately I do not have a date yet.

RE: Design as per IS : 800 : 2007 in STAAD V8i (Select series 4)

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Am designing steel beams as per IS 800 : 2007. For preliminary valaidation sake i assumed a beam with a 5kN/m for a span of 5m and the section used is a MB 500.

The design in STAAD tells me the web of MB 500 is "SLENDER" but clearly as per IS 800 : 2007 table 2 it is plastic. Kindly help.

re: Design as per IS 800: 2007

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Status: URGENT

I am designing steel beams as per IS 800 : 2007 limit state using STAAD Pro. 

for preliminary sake, i have taken a steel beam of span 5m, load 5kN/m and the section assigned is MB 600.

In the final design output section classification of web is  "slender" as against "plastic".

i am attaching the STAAD file here. kinldy take a look and reply.

RE: Design as per IS : 800 : 2007 in STAAD V8i (Select series 4)

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Where does the code referred by you states that the plastic section will not be slender? Slendernes is a different property of the member and it has nothing to do with plastic, compact or semi compact. The warning is simply sayiyng that as per L/r the section is slender and check for slenderness has been done and found ok.  You may input the design parameter MAIN as 1, the warning wll be over.

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